1974 11 19CONTINUED CITY COUNCIL MEETING
Council Room -City Hall
7:30 P.M.
November 19,1974
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Members present:Councilman Bob Hill,Bill Moe,Norm Johnson,Mike Boyle,Don Swanson and
Otto Skaug. Mayor Gordon Ebbert was not present.
Due-to the absence of Mayor Ebbert the Council unanimously voted for Don Swanson to act as Mayor Pro Tern.
Don Swanson opened the meeting stating this was acontinuation of the meeting of November 12,1974
regarding Referendum 27 -Transmission Mains at Source (Well #31).
Cltv Manaoer Waqgener commented that a presentation was made atthe last meeting for the'Council's^W«t£HSSEd ^nt in the amount of $96 242tc.constructt«"-i^~2^SS2T™VKier
will carry on the discussion.
Sostty on the Engineering Division tonight and the constructionproects.™£$«™«»£bt$Z'&gn.
personnel he has left over.
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to go into the funding and the priorities.
nSwfunds on several projects anticipating that we would get grants ^^*»*£°£$£JZg£wf
city funds out of our Sewer budget.
783^grant money and the remainder being city matching funds.Those matching ^«™u*^^"^honds or levies as we have done in the past;some of it may come outofthe i<r Arterial Fund or Local imWf£^&^toWi*eS>that are federally funded,we cannot use the Revenue Sharing Funds that
we have allocated to us.We have to use our own money for matching..
That is our primary source of funding from other agencies.There are other grants and loans available
but we are not Into those to any degree.
The thing he would like to discuss In detail is the priority rating for the water projects that we hawappliedforgrantsforundertheDSHSfunds.There isa set procedure prescribed to apply for grant fundsandthatiswefilepreapplicationforanyprojectsthatwemaysuspectthatwewouldwanttoowithinthenextfewyears.The reason why we do that is sothat they can put together in their budget and theirrequestfromthefederalgovernmentforfunding,and sometimes this means as much as two advance noticeisrequired.Once they have the preapplication from us,then they send it out to the various agenciesundertheA-95 Clearing House procedure,andgives all the relatedagencies in the County,State,DOE
andseveralof these agencies may have Interest Inourprojectsand they have a chanceto make writtencommentsat that time.Once wereceive back these written comments then we are notified that we cangoaheadandfiletheactualapplicationforfunds.The application is processed quarterly and if it is notafundedprojectin anyone givenquarter then we have to„by letter,bringthat projectup-to-date to keepit active,otherwise.lt is dropped cff the list.Aproject that rates high enough within the priority rating
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system will be brought to our attention by an offer of grant or loan whichever the case may be,•«»J»fn turn come to the Council for acceptance.There is time limitation usually attached to it The currentn0rc^
£yVa^r r^m<is inrrs.the proJects and nhowthlyarerated.He presented a chart representing the rating of priorities for projects:|
Thev will rate a quality problem No.I,such asa new source or a treatment;No.2is quantity,andNo3isqualityproblemswhereyouhaveinlineproblems,chlorination,reservoir numbers,etc 'Noi 4is quantity where you are shcn of supply,due to the distribution system that perhaps is not large
enough.
They next look at how ready are you to proceed with this project If ready within from zero to four monthsyoureceiveahigherprioritythanifreadywithinfourtotenmonthsandsoon.
My point in showing this chart is that a new source project that is ready to go withinJour ^nths^atthisUrnewillreceivethehighestpriorityratingthattheycangive,and we are competinstate-wide .with other projects.An inadequate or failing source,such as a reservoir;if it can be ready withinfourmonthi^receives a No.2?ating.The-way they are currently allocating funds,there is no way thataLe™o£"can rS Mgher on the priority list than anew well.There is nothing we can dci toj^tor *J*this is their system on priority rating.I want to point that out because in our projected 1975 Budget wehmWm*toihto£?e of circumstances occurring;we have a need for both,source and supply.-One
will rate higher than the other and that is it.
Ron asked if there were any questions on this.
Johnson -We could get a grant under both,couldn't we?Ron =If they have enough money availableandtheyarefindingbothtypesofprojects,the quality and the quantity,we certainly could.We havebeLadvisedthattheDSHSfullyexpecttohaveamuchlargerbudgetnextyearthanwhattheyhavethisyear.So,we are very hopeful that some of our major projects will qualify for grants.
Johnson =Don't you have to present your different programs to them so they can select a priority.
How do they select a priority unless we submitted it ?
dbirna"?th,eive7areiovte5 SS^SSSWTS SSSSSfc 2W-£--«we need.Alttolgh that Is not adirect part of their rating system,their staff certainly considers this fl
when they look at our projects.
Ron Baker briefly recapped why some of these reports are necessary.As you recall in 19701 we PresentedtheSnSe^iwWa^and Sewer Plans.These two reports outline the needs to-keep Moses Lake atanaiea^riev^Be^icl ^iaxas water and sewer were concerned.Those two reports did not tell us^^SevBtSa^SJlS'SLtB wells or water storage;they simply pointed out the need and the necessity'w th!nrn?Icts Later another study was completed;the Rate Study and that study did two things;one itorovWed^^finance these project that are needed and secondly the capitalSSro^ntslro^mlO-year was listed in that Rate Study which detailed the timeJ schedule>inwhich cer-SVn^n^ct/shoild occur Then the last study that came before the Council was the Ground Water andWater^^m^Ws^^^BtSsys^m Analysis specifically tells us what size facilities we need andwherethejshouldbelocated.The Ground Water report was simply a part of It that allowedI usto makeJheComputer^^assimulation model of our water system here,including the g^^^t^^l^Lr hrineededtoknowthatinordertoeffectivelyevaluatetheentiresystem.So the combination of these four greportsoverSTelastfouryearshavegivenusthedatathatqualifiesusforsomeofthesegrants.pq
the best information we have on our system.
Ron asked If there were any questions on this?
Boyle -Ron,do you feel that if these studies hadn't been made in the sequences they were,for Instance
this project here,would it have been given the priority it has.Baker - I can assure you that the DSHS would not have funded any of them without the engineering report
onfile because it is partofthe requirements to grantfunds.
Swanson =This project,does It fall in the.Ho..1 category?*•«-•»<£*£?£2Z«£15'&tVreasons;one,it Is a source project.In cfter words.WeU #31wb*w prov „
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Johnson -Did we apply for grants ^tl»t Pjrtl^•quite some time ago,going back^perhapa a^two year f •«0J°"J^hSSequali£led for funding,in the Comprehensive Plan and the Rate Study.s^^l^^^^^^^S^Well Rebuild pro-
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bs^^^^^BUI =When was this Weil #31 project entered Baker =^^^^^T^XJi
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filed an application,which we did..BUI =Shouldn't the Council been.aware,of thatat that ^^^"^^^.S"STtheCouncilabreastofourprojectschedules(We are.»££*<*°™»e ^flt many of the details of
sultants that drew up the plan.fohnaon =That is my next question.This was given to us in the latter part of October,and we arebasingagJantonthisIhlsishowisitis,overnight have things happen .
Waggener -Added,one thing I•**"-^N™^heriand presenting the OP«»^^^^^^^^tS^Si^d advised you then thatpresentingthesetoyou.Atthe end ofthatI discusseoi inax w"n projects thatwere on that.at time that we had actually•aubmitted^W^^^^^^^^n before there was aItoldyoualsotherewouldbeanopportunitytacomeback^o^conswer fortnera.final approval.But in order to try to keepthem moving,we naa to s>u«»hhjZon=Iam trying hard to put this particular function u*>that report.Ididn't realize we were even
in the throws of this type of amove.Waggener =Yes.this is why Itried to ^^^JT^SI^XS^^^^^'book that evening along with two hours of discussion on It,butIma empnasi O&lble for the next
2Sme back t0 you to see if you wanted to accept them or not.
Hill -What Iam getting at,that should be teken at aregular ^~ff££§^uL^o^atelyWaggener-It was ata regular council meeting.Hill -No,it wasai siy session,that IsImissedthestudysessiononthat.Waggener =D.K.this was preseated at a^y^Waggener =Yearscorrect.Hill =What I mean,any action «touW betaken at ^«3l5?^couU for all the project weagowehadsaidweweregoingtosubmitapplicationsforallthejunamgwedone#Kotfalncould,and we would bring each of them back to you for-final?^lll^cl^rn%^^ns aat covered In ahasbeendonewiththisyetHill-I *™££^*£?X^|?g rlally?HiU =Ithink it should begeneralcouncilsession.Skaug =What objection do you have.Boo,reauy .(—^i—:?)Approved by the Council before requests for funding Sto^ItbJ^a^pMK^^^Hill-WhatmaPybethe'delay.maybe the uncertainty or maybe,th,%™g£Tkr^tbS taalline element;they
^^,fHill-To me there is avery small pa^raph thing »^^«^^*|L2a-^^SSS^
Skaug =What was the report based on that,on that Well?«,__,„-,BUI 1Very basically,agood part of It.Mr Ebbert ?uestioned «2,00.>tottc theJ^**JJ"^
And thWreit reference to It Is in our 'Blue Bible'here.Santas the Engineer's estimate that the well-epalr would entail S30.000.,t was never s^or
expended or authorized.
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°mi7=Thin where is the remaining funds.?The way this read Ithought $30,000 was earmarked ..repair
Maclto,sir.Mr.Weaver.Ibelieve ^W%^Z^-™£Z££J&Z£%.as follows:On July 7 1972 »Shto«W«^~g«*$£££££."we"pulled the well resaired thewastoputinnewbearings.October 9,1973 witn t>ninn_™9f""'«'t dded 40 feetof column.cllumnfrepalred the -**«>£•^i?£^ffi£?2^tt£**»'-We**i!*"and the repair bill was $1555.52.In 19/3 or eany w*,^"~...nn w bouant some electricalInTnnUatlonweboujhtalonelyopenvalvefor**«"££%,*££»^f28^Tand we ha»proofedsuppliessuchaselectricalwlrlng.condult etc.from Schwam;"ecrnc 10^^few ^^^^•i SZS^J&Sm&Z^^FSit 'u'.U we s^nt on WeU «»this
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Waggener -The point that might be confusing on that j,,u.Mob Wlng.to |ive the^ouncll an^alua..onMtheneedsatWestlake.he quoted what h.-tho^*«^*«*'Appropriation;we have never hadthat;wei£W.2S2^»2^-Council,nor .budget alloca
tion to altial go ahead and do any major work on that project.
Hill =Through the
or $3000..j
^ouse ahnldnUeesti$ng°'tne^Undhperhaps putting anew pump In it.
Baker =Mr.Johnson,one of the questions you asked ^^^Z^clTZn^^tl^XTand"wouW like to add =Well #11 which the Council author*ed 'or ^nstmction^^^
area was Initiated about a little over a year ago and :alter tne w ,n£ormed us at that time that they wereaperaltforwaterrightsinthatarea/and1 as It-to*™*^^y^ntlcipated alegal battle withgoingtoceaseIssuingallwaterrights.They ted ™«""-"'•t thls area .,he Qulncy sub-area -,the Bureau of Reclamation as towho^uU centre the water^fl^1"*that lt would at least be aminimumandsotheyceasedtoissuewaterrightsatthat"^°ft^0™de addltlonai flow to the downtownarea,ofa year.With that information,and f««w"«»f "ee°,"^As you ^ow we discussed using Well
SKdVptYoTeJS^ST-S^^K^S.^funding and trying to .
'comply with State and Federal laws concerning ground water.
WATER PROTECTS;
Mac -Before I proceed with this P^Wnr^on about the reason for us ^^|a1^d.^^^t^^3£S have allocated.There were 71 aPPU-they had roughly a little over a million dollars_left that:tney^aian h reason for us goingcations,and Ibelieve we probably ^^1^^t^^^'fSS^The next three months whichaheadthey were goingto allocate all this money out at tnisasi iuuux y m h availablelreecomlngyup,fht?y expect to have -^g*^**?"^f^UdfngTthe^drew to date $10,000,000willbeJuneorJulyof1975They»«d$50'^0.OOO^^^tw £QQQ fQf ^out of that and they are asking the Legislature,starting next J '*g xfeally expect that we will•years.All these projects you see listed on the>chart,if ™WV*™to withdraw something.The onesgeteveryoneofthemfundedwithmatchingmoney,.unless you awu #$^^QUrSntheleft(the Lakeview Terrace Area)these are ^onesttat we naa p y and ^^No.1priority.We need to clean the wU^On Well #8 rehabilitation
acid out.Now we have to do this before we can go to vveii *Terrace. I am not sureweanticipatethatwewillhavea'chance'^^^^S^^We will go in and somewhere downthatwecan,I hope that we can.We are ^°^^\^^^twill set up atest pump,and from thisaroundthe250or300-ft.level we will put Vt *Sh^S la cwS from that upper level.If it lessteatpumpwewillpumpandtrytodeterminehowmuchwateriBJ^^^^t leVel,we will bethan500gpmthenwewillprobablycaseItorf.If It la wsou gpm *,same ^^^unable tocase It off,because lt will be too vital to our siipply.we wup *wgter comlng in
i«f^m tho nOE are meeting with me in the morning,and we are goingW«11 »U construction:Two people from the DOE are meeting ^^^tQ ft
to tryto unravel the permit for Well #11.I am very op^nu sub-Area until February 1.1975.time-consuming affair.They will not issue any permtts ^*"Q^Uncy w ^^^Quf xTheywillgoinnumericalorder;we are No.376i.If je««•'fa b 4 able to ^^^someamnotsurewewillgettostartthewellevenIntoeFall^of 1975 *nop y ay30_day advertisingwithdrawalpointstoonecentralpointofWell#11 mainly.It so,tnen
period, and then go to bid.
j *~u«i«+ho T^rrarp This will provide additional pressure.~i-41-c.Thtc \a a r*»«5ervolr that we need to help the lerrace.in«w*»*k*«fnfhr^vlew'Teaace SU^t will be included in the Zone 4area.
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_-thls $30,000 kept coming up and It is odd we only come up with $2500
Nelsc*^^^^^^iSiS^a^fNel^^^H^VenueReservoir#5 when the wells are pumping to,the dis^'.tion^y»*»££water from WeI1#8>
transmission line will supply the ^rie?Hj?^X»^^e a«a and connect In to Hill Street justItwillby-pass the distribution ^^^^^^^^^^t of the paved area,however,Ve will.
srsw-^0therwisewewillkeepoutofthepeople's way with this construction.
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w.»«••T^nsm.sslon Lln«=There are several rea^«-t™ana"tSsUVne"^togl-
£*?£&£«me°we P"YWAhe\Se^L^nd!lk^hbtePcomeSUln andthfn™around the end ofandonLakeshorelineondowntowhere^apato and Uteshore come in,ana tne
&ri^H b-tsj^^we ean pr°-
vide this 12"line.
at Westlake without doing anything to it,_
sfpounSsf aTXn'tnepumps a6re on the pressure gets up to 90 pounds at times.
Mac presented achart based on the State Premium period in 1971 ^'^""^^y^C^ens^centage which represent Moses take we come ,-uP^*«^""^^^'^70^«.changedofMosesLakebasedon1971figures.It also ^^toe percentage °*w^""^lnsuranCe premiums,fire rating to a4or 5rating,the people nMoses Late would pay $58^003 more jf ^went
ss:•"sis.:*:"*s^X^^.S'.S'rS ^S5«j0--~-^wer in tte—*based on 1971 rating lt would save the people In the community $45,000.
In the Water System Operational Analysis you will notice or.Page;36-Chart f^STJ^Xm I
wells It shows the pumps that are pumping *?^I;,£„%*frera Well#31.Since this report cameisintheCentralBusinessDistrict).This Is including.1S0CI gpmfron.weimm .orout,and I want to stress that a report Is no more than a g«Jfe"ne,and 11 wiii cna g ^^from week to week,etc.Bear with me while Ishowyou.onejotanB.J™££',this Is going to
ShXns^eafota's^P^^^^
based without a fire situation.
On the chart under Run #D-3 =with Well #4 off again we ^n"a°dXci^cy?n%ne%^o?ata»tUNo.31,this drops us 1800 gallons or down around 4500.^^.f^X/^can expect of the system5,000 gpm.This Is during a fire and pumping 4500^gpm.He «P^ined what ««,P d
^rd^I^^^^^portance of the new reservoir.
Due to the strung-out development ^*~^™**£S^I&.*JttS££l£2S*»that is acting to distribute the water and ^^.^1^^^^,^^em.etc.We can do wo things;
we'can^ln^^^^^
S SiffiSWSS^S^^—r"0Q gpro lnto -systeB •heIPsupplythisarea.It Is the most economical way .-.to do it.
Boyle =the 1600 gpm along with the 1400 gpm,that still does not give us enough water In case of Are
say at the Peninsula School?
Mac -That Is right.We have in our budget for ^^^^^^^^^^*Sere and asked for funding.One is for atransmission 1Ine'J™*^^™^We do not haveupPioneerWayandjointhat10".We have «^™£k*n school-we are going to have to feed itfromreallargepipestocarrythewaterbackintothatPeninsula*^^fi£^]BI£a that we have pat it.the other direction.Also we were^alklng t™*^*"?*^and specifications in for consider*-As of the 15thof December we are going to have tnis reserve w»»
tion.
as far as pressure is concerned?
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Mac=We relocated Well #11 site .When pumping from this system to the newreservoir these people
will see an immediate change in pressure.
Hill =WhatI meant was, whatif there be a delay in getting Well #ll,can you proceed with the otherprioritiesandmakeanimprovementinthatendoftown?Well #11 and Reservoir #5 is what we are talking /
about.J
Mac =I cannotspeak forthe DOE,but from whatI have been lead to believe from my dealings during
the last two weeks,I believe we will have a permit and be able to call for bids in January.
«>-^«-r-Waggener =For thisto really to be effective though.Well #11 has tobe tied in with the Reservoir #5
project.'
Mac = Yes, Sir, forthis to be effective.To dothis we only will haveto put In onthis Well #11 a shorttransmissionline,but wewill have to put in this larger transmission line down Nelson Road,and it will
be about 3000 feet of transmission line.
Waggener =And that also means the transmission lines from Tank #2 down to Juniper and Hill.This
is the one I was talking about coming down past the Masonic Temple.
Swanson =To goone step further.After you putthe transmission line across that goes through.Then we
arestill looking forward to tank outthere. I amtalking about Reservoir #4.Would you consider that
immediate ? .
Mac =As you know the city voted in $1.1 million dollars earmarked strictly for programs as for matching
funds and we hope by using wisely that wewill have enough money to eventuallydo this.But this will
be the last one on the list.We would like to get all the rest of the projects done before we do this one,
because we can live with a little bit too much pressure a lot easier than we can live with rot enough
pressure.
Boyle =As faras fire rating. Is it more critical to supply the need in the amount of gallonage in the
downtown central business district as far as rating is concerned as it would be for instance to a resi
dential area as far as fire rating.Would they look at this more critical if the downtown area say is
1200 gallons below what they recommend.
Mac = In the downtown area with a high value loss,in the new rating system,however, they not only
declare that as being essential,but they declare such places as Peninsula School, HallmarkInn,etc..
as beingas equal dollar-wise in rating-wise,etc.Soit isn't in one zone anymore as it used to be,
Waggener = Mac, assumingthat there were not a Hallmark Innor a PeninsularSchool,would the fire-flow requirements differ fora residential area? Mac=Yes sir, it would differ fora residential area.^Houses located within 100 feet ofeach otherthe requirement is 2000 gpm for two hours.For houses
less than 100 feet of each the requirement ,is 500 gpm for two hours.
Hill = Would the Well #11 and the Reservoir #5 increase the downtown pressure?To modify the system
intertled so that,would It increase the downtown pressure?
Mac =Rservoir #5 and Well #11 will be designed to feed into this system - Zone 2 -through a PRC
Valve.
Hill = But not downtown,Zone I area.Mac =Not downtown,Zone I area directly.
Johnson =Isn't tied together now?Mac =It is tied together somewhat,through the PRC Valves.In -^
thecase ofa major fire we still have to open up thevalves.^
Swanson =Where would well #10 come into this then.How does lttie Into the system?£"1
Mac =Well #10 Is located on Peninsula Drive inthe 1500 Block.It is one ofourbest producers.It j^
is already tied Into the system. It is Into the Zone I.CO
Moe - Mac,regarding the proposal before us I noticed It is broken down into several category.It
says 12"underwater pipe in place, and a few nninutes ago yousaid that we were not goingto go under
water.
Mac =We've eliminated that,and will save most of that,and that's the way we are going to make
that Wapato crossing with what we are saving there.
Baker=Onthe preapplication we had to anticipate the maximum cost of the project incurred and the
underwater crossing was more expensive than a suspended bridge crossing.
Mac =We have gained permission from the State Highway Dept.to suspend it from the pedestrian
bridge.
Hill «These various studies Indicate Well #4 and Well #31 is very poor water,and disregarding
source or regarding fire needs,what about dumping bad quality water into good water in the Peninsula
area?
Mac =Well #4,#7 and #31 are actually now about the same quality water.At one time Well #31
was very soft water.
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Mac -Trying to go in for repairs.
Chet -But assuming repair,it will be back to softer water.
Mac -It would be softer water,yes,it would.At one time Well #31 was a real soft water and I
hope one of these days we can get time and money to study in and bring it back to specifications^idonTknow if you remember when John Ahlers dropped that one in or not.Mr Hill,it was about•60 or '61 aL he had abig splash in the paper about it being the softest^well,less then 10 partstomillionandsoforthandinsomewheredownthelinethewaterstartedfromtheupperleveland
crusted into it,and causing it to be hard.totally
Chet -Mac,Iam not sure that the rehabilitation proagam l^rea^hgg fcee.n/re.XmepSs|ytheCityCouncilandintermsofothergeophysicallogs/She vxSeo scan to actually see wEere the
holes aie on the casing and make repairs.Reviewing that and as a further •from that,
we anticipate then doing that same thing on Well #31 before it would be put into the system.
&>Mac -Now again Iwill go back to this priority.Could you turn that center light off,please,<M £%aTvou see,we pu?Well #31 down towards the end so let me go through Well #5 for you.&Well #5 we were losing production on it.We were down to 670 gallons per minute when we shouldOhavebeenpumpingaround900gallonsperminute.We found out when we pulled it that most ofWthecausewas£ne pump.The well itself is some crustation in it,which by cleaning and acidWtreatmentwillremove!We hope when we get back into production that we should be back up to
900 gallons per minute.
Well #8.as I told you,is one that we have not been in as vet.Jt^s £h|^netbgjehas theStrainedareathatgiveseverybodyafit.I've heard older/P cSmplaSn £nat fneir earsscreamandthatonecitizenha/a heart attack,I've heard mothers complaining that theirchildrenhavehadglassesbrokenandsplashedhotwaterandsoforthonthem.This is one
reason we just feel that we must go in into this
well #4,we managed ageophysical log on it as we did Well #5 and Well #7 and then we went in
with a television camera and
Chet -Excuse me,what does a geophysical log do?
^•i -i~„„*,«*«=ahnnt a different accounts of what is going on in the well.Itm°"*^erature it^uns a caxioer xn the well,it gives flow,and this is what we arerrin?e«Xdirthere another interests in the well on the geoligtst and Iam not sure of^fof them m7se?f.so Iam not going to bother to go into those for you because it gets tooaee/fe^ly.^ellV we ^^^^^^"J^Z^U^^TJ&.&Z—flowing down the well to 960 foot level and out I 9 in ^^
^10^=:;leveT irstuay ng^ge^nysical^ftte casing it showed that the casingat 109 foot level,in "uu^t y ?e *other words.60 feet.We went in and patchedwasinpoorconditionfromM*-*to 157 feet xn other words 6 somewhBre else and I
SLTSS is ll^T^Ce^tZtTZTlloT^^It hrofce out in another area,we2£newSfiows°in it his tb.where it had hrfen out that^e di<.not see two years ago.»
will have to go in.put xn a lxner from 360 feet up to the top^^^^
E^?£L£rm£l?Z,2S/K welLve Inhere are eleven and one-half inches,of
course,this will not go in a ten inch pipe.• • •
^^-u j.ien •pAA4-wo found that we have a new aquifer coming in atinWell#7,the casing ended about 150 feet.We found ™V~™in ^well how ^^ter157feet.We could not determine without going in and Pitting a seal_xn we ex testinaSLSPihi.new aguifer ^'^'^^l^^^^^J^X^Ji^^X'
wfarra^efon SxsT Vo ois?£S^T?«^-*-«««»»«^ixons per ^nute.We have been puling it at 2000 gallons per rcinute.
bus.1:sjss sr.-jaarsssia-js s s-.-wusre's--
is really not that bad quality right now.
'. ,~e i.-u«<-v,4 nrtc that will nrobabiy be required anyway.If theSiiST^ifS SLSt^iS^"^—«--an it is now so does
that mean that a new pump will be required?
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We may have to put one more bowl on it
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«i v«e <sir that is correct.Mac -Yes.sxr.tha increased capacity.Chet -And we are drawing most of our wells now at 150 feet or so
rt the well,show that he pumped
£££ss as:s-.rs'^ss-s;jss~-->-«•-—-—
know until you run a test.*i«narts cer million.Isn't that awfully hard ?Hill -The Robertson report says hardness of 133 parts per mil
you sav it is not bad water.^atexYousayitxwouldputa/softener^c -«r.Bill,let me answer that ^stion this y^J—^^egual to 170inyourwatersystem,it would pay for xtself at10 g here>ana we ^ve DeenSSforfevertl-yers ^SSS^STS.'S "nearly 300 parts per millxon.«-
that answer your question,Sir?
HiH -Partley.Mac -O.K.connected in to this particular zone,
there now during peak time?
»c -you mean the ones living on Peninsula or the ones living in WestlalceT
Mike -in the Westlake area.
4-v *is.w»had Now we had-complaints when weMac-They would have better water pressure than they nave .increased the waterSrstwentoutthereonthewater^^^^J^^^^^.We raised bowls alittlepressurebutwedidnothelpthe.P"^^*^^the summer time that this means that itbitinthepumpandhadweranmorecontinuallyduring^^^^presgure are
is on and off more during the night time•J^JJ"™*SVLi:l out in Westlake that would be anhurtingourselveswiththatpump.They would have a press
increase from what they have had.
Pat Lightel -How many?If you take a pump,pat iiigntex —«»-»»»»k».m . —*
a «->,««if he wants to if he doesn't answer,thenMac-Pat,would you address Mr.Swanson and then if he wants to....
I will answer you.
Pat -May I please say.something?
Don - Go ahead.
„i «,«rn-hs aoo here with our Westlake situation,peoplePat-Thank you.0,K.Number one Several months ago Jhere W Westlalce ig a part of Mosescamehereandcomplainedto_Council they ^P^^^SL.what happened to the $52 000.Lake but it wasn't the Moses Lake Pr°blem-*******in We have never heard,up until tonight.
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are
know it,they know it and anybody that lives out there,knows it.If you/going to take
from that side of the well,put a pipe all the way across,you have designs out there
where the surveyors got marks out there running all the way up the street,all the way
over the lake,all the way over to the Peninsula school or where ever you are going to|put that new reservoir,then the low water has to be pumped back over the lake back into
their houses again.
Mac -You didn't want to make"a question,you wanted to make a statement.
Pat -Isn't that right?
Mac -No.When the pump is supplying from that area,you will have much better pressure
than you have now.
Pat -Well,how come all of a sudden,something is going to be done?
<M *Don -Mac,you are not going to be changing any lines into Westlake,are you?
&O Mac -Mr.Swanson,I don't know if you can see this without your light or not.We willWputthis12inchintothewell,and right at this point on Montana Street andat FrontageWRoad,we will connect this 12 inch clear across to the 8 inch that supplies these homes
right in here.
Don - As it is now the 8 inch....
rov Morris-Just a minute.I just don't quite....you know this goes a long way back,S Se"ay back.This guy can run this and things....six months ago he said they startedandthLg^on us out there!We got alot of promises.About the only thing we really got
since then is garbage can sitting in front of the house and I do know,the other oldaentlemenain-fhere that maintains the well for us out there,but he does.He comes outSereeventwotimes,three times a day.But,the pipe and stuff at the housing andIstuffinWestLke?Ijust don't believe they are going to stand any more pressure thanwhatisonthem??Because you take some of the 5/8 pipe loose and stuff and it is downUtoaboutone-half size of alead pencil,all corroded up inside and stuff.Of course,IknowwhenyoutookusoveroutthereyousaidrightinthepaperthatifwehadanysewernroMemsoranywaterproblems,that you would take care of them.Well,we have had allkindso?sewer probxemfand stuff.People out there digging up their sewer lines now.5£.Sas'een St there regularly,they have dug up theirpeptic ^^^^even,digging them up today.We ain't got no help yet on that and things.It comestothewell!back to the water and stuff.We don't trust this,not a bit-for one tfcxng it'would save going in there and putting abigger pump and pull the sides out of «•*«•£and plug it!We will be drinking hard water coining in,from across the lake,cross thedealovertherefromthe*pond.The water over there as I say is not good for human
consumption,which we have done that before.But,I don't guess you guys have to worry
about it because you don't live out there,but we do.Now I am here to ask ^~1 .nice,to please let our well alone.Now,that is our livelihood and th»*J^J*~™^and things out there and stuff,and Irealize they need water here and need water there•and everything,but we need alot of things too we haven't got and stuff and we are justSeretoaskyoutoleaveourwellalone,at least until you can assure us that if anythingdoesgowrong,starts to go wrong with our well,you will Mediately shut off and
stuff and things,because that is the only thing we got out there is awell.Mem.,ifsomethinggoeswrongwithourwater,well we might as well walk off and leave,«r shacksSTaSxf."because xt is acinch Idon't think the City would go to the %?££>££
4««mother decent well for us.They haven't even patched the holes in the streets tnacwe?ve got and stuff so let's be fair.Now,here is the thing.Iwould give aw thelastdropo?water Ihad.Now that Iwould really do.And you are talking abo**cheaper
rates on the insurance and stuff and we are out there,I guess,the best well ib theoountrSisatleastwegotmorewaterpressurethananyofthemhas.-And Iam saying,country is,at leasn we gut «u „.„„„vrmr insurance for my old shack or as muchwell,the same rate as you guys is paying on your insurance iot my u*
!welx lid g^oT^p^^^J se^t ere.hnrthC on^ere 11 ZZ E ^one^here'wlxi 4iff|gtTrL!!L He wouldn't even come out of his store out there long enough to chaage the
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we are not asking you gentlemen for no big thing,we're just asking for what is right.Just vSuC things like this here.It's not right,Don,it is not right to takeourwateraTstuffandwedon't know.You know,maybe you would if something happened,you would "y.r^well,here,cut this off.But,Don you are ""^T.*ou Zl soheretoday,you may be deader than hell tomorrow.So,you wouldn't be here,you see,soI'm asking for everybody.We phoned tonight.We didn't want no disturbance.So I saidIwouldcomeupa^talk.Now!you took everything else that we ^\^2ftT "inwaterourwell,don't take that.He knows that that well has a top surface .inIthas'had They went in there once before,pulled that thing out of there and wentdownxnthereandpluggeditallandpuncheditbackout.He never done it.We done it.xHas tooSout ofour9money at Westlake.It was done before you gentlemen took it over,
so,am I right,Mr.McLanahan?
Mac - It has been repaired.
Morris -Well,anyway,it was took out of the Westlake funds.That is,I thin£if youx^ok back Ican tSe you right back to the old gentlemen that done it when we had ourotherSoratthattimewhenitwasdone.Here's one of the councilmen sitting rightheretoXntandthings.What would be you come up with all this you can do for usuphereThat's fine!Irealize that is fine,but did you ever say at one time wellwewouldrunasmall6inchlinebackouttoWestlakeandputthemonCitywater?ToputSemonwaterwewilltreatthem,you know,to put them on city water W^^^?nem like the *people do,or is it that you are ?for the biggest men of
this town?
Mac - I don't think you understand,Ray,what...
Chet -Mac,let me ask two or three questions that Ithink might help exjJain j*£^«£*«I can understand your concern about it,but at the present time with the isolated watersystenTifyouhaveafailureofanykindinWell#31,apump burn out or electrical,out
age or anything,what happens to the water out there?There Dust isn t any?
Mac -We have to feed from the other water supply,if it is a burn-out in the well,andSisisthisoldwellheistalkingabout.Nobody likes it and the hardness is up in the|300 range,Ibelieve.The iron content is more than the Health Department allows,or ^-sitting right on the border anyway and we just use it,just when we have to.Now,if yourememblrrSr.Waggener,recently atelephone pole was knocked down on West Broadway,outbytheGrange..?hese people in Westlake,both well,were without electricity for over an
hour,or for around an hour,and,of course,during that time they were without water.
Their storage facility is two pressure tanks in this area and one m this one.Now,before we went out,they were using one pressure tank.At present time we da haveallthreepressuretankshookedintothesystem.We have done that for them.But there is
not much storage in those pressure tanks.
Waggener - O.K.Mac...
Morris -Just a minute.Before we was taken over,this gentlemen right here,a business
man himself,went to the Council out there when we had Westlake.We had something like
$15,000.in the bank.We asked to have a tower,water power.We wanted the water powerbroughtin.Find one somewhere,some old abandoned air base or something,you know that
we could get frcm the government,buy or something from them.No,that would_cost too
much money.Just cost too much money.Well at that time,which-I found out later,at
that time it was in the making then,for you guys to take us over up here.That is the
reason that,I guess ,we never got a water tank..Now,you know,it is not right.I
don't come around and I don't take nothing that belongs to you guys.I don't bother you
guys,you know what I mean,take your stuff and things away.Now,you gentlemen face it
and just answer me,what have you done for Westlake?Now I can tell you what was promised
And you can go back and read your old papers and stuff.I don't know if you gentlemens
were on council or not at that time.But go back to the old papers and the papers -will
verify what was supposed to say and everything.We had one gentlemen,he is not here .(—
tonight,he still works for the city I see him from time to time and stuff.He come out,
there and promised trucks and everything,that you would do everything and stuff.We ,
ain't seen no trucks out there.
Waggener -Well let me follow up,Ray,I think might help a little further on this.Let
us assume that now instead of an isolated water system that that transmission line were
connected from the Peninsula to Well #31.Then what would happen to the Westlake water
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supply in the event of a pump failure or in the event of an electrical outage in that
I area?
McLanahan -This gives the system quite abit of flexibility.:*_T^L.0.J system,it would be connected to,is supplied on the far end by a tank,that is locatedatthemortuary.It is fed by well #7,which we were discussing at the City Hall complex,
right in this area.It is fed by Well #10 and is fed by Well #4.Except through peak
hour demand,there would be no problem feeding back into this system.Really here wouldbenoproblemfeedingintothissystemthroughpeakhourdemandwithallofthisunless
we ran into a fire situation.If we run into a fire situation anywhere in this lower
area in here,they would be without water then,but that is the only time.
Morris -Let me ask you something.If you had your choice,you said we have them all
hooked together tonight,McLanahan.Let us say you had a grocery store here and it was~on fire,now if you had your choice whether to turn the water back to Westlake and cut%>o«those old stocks out there or put this man's store out.Now be truthful,which one
gl would it be?
&McLanahan -Iwould not have achoice.The pressure is in the system,^«^«™ldr«take care of itself.Now in the summertime,I might have a choice.We talking about
tonight,I would not have a choice.We have enough water for either.
Morris -Which would it be?If we was lumped together,that is what I asked you.If
we was all lumped together and there was a fire in two places and something happened,wouxl it be his store get cut out or would it be the shack at Westlake get cut out?
McLanahan -It would be according to where the fire engine is.You would get as muchReferenceastheotheroneaccordingtothefireengine.Usually as jouprobably know,Ray,there is enough water on the fire truck to put out one of those shacks at Westlake
as you put it.
Morris -Yeah We got water.We got enough water to put out our own fires.Only timewfatdn't have enough to put that one out with was when our mayor at that time wouldn't^leave Sis store up nere,?or which he was called,we thought the hot water tank wouldWowup"He was called several times,the lady out at the service station called to havesomeonecomeoutthereandswitchthepumpsover.Ask the fire chief down there,he will
tell you the same thing.
McLanahan -Have you had any problems with us responding,Ray,when you called?-
Morris -Well,no,but I don't think there has been any choice either,because as yous^y we got the choicest well in the country for as you know for pressure What we111doinaisiustaskingyou,if you do do this,now if you do do this,I 3ust come uphere?onLnt to ask you?Ididn'/bring no whole bunch with me,which Ican and stuff,Sut we area^ngtoTto put us ashut off to where at least we know that we are going
to have water out/to drink.
M^nahan -Rav let me assure you that there will be many valves in this system.Each?£ofthls Sidae there will be avalve.There will be valves all along here.GoodengineeringprlctCe^kes itmandatory that avalve goes in aline such as that every
thousand feet.
Morris -If there was trouble,would one of them get shut off before we could go aheadTrldrinkwaterHasthL31dealdevelopedsinceahighwatersituationandstuffhasPartedoutthereandthatisanotherthingIwouldliketoknow,you know,since youalreadyknowwehaveasewerageproblem.Isee a lot of this well prob1-there butIdon*t seTnothing to relieve the people with the sewerage probiem at Westlake and
thinas Now.maybe that is not very important to you,but it is to a lot of People.
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HUD funds are available in the distant future to assist you people.
Morris -well is there someway that we can put this off?This vote on^this ^1*?2n Well #31 I-am talking about,until all the people of Westlake can be notified and
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have the legal right to come up here and sit in on this so they will know what is going
to happen to them.
McLanahan -Ray,you realize that through eight to nine months out of the year you will
get the best water in the state in Westlake because through the winter we will use Well
#10.Well #10,Well #3 are two of the best wells in the state.'Your children will be
getting the natural flouride content.You will be getting a water so soft that the
savings in soap alone will accomodate your wife for about $3.00 a month.
Morris -But did you ever figure that if you get used to something good like that and
then have to go back to something bad that won't be very good.I just ask you could
this be put off until you know,some little saving by it but since it didn't cause
the City of Moses Lake nothing to drill this well,and the people of Westlake did pay
for the well,now I think the people of Westlake should have something to say about it.
Now,if I can talk to them and they say O.K.fine,see,but even if you do pass on it
and they say,no,then you know you got more troubles up here again until we get it
settled if we have to go plumb to the Governor about it.The government offered once
to come in and help us and we just ask you please not to take our water until it is
legally , I mean,right.Well,what I am talking about it a man or person's rights.
Swanson -Ray,I think we are here,I mean we are going to have to get,we have to,am
I right,we have to the first of December to approve or reject this grant?
Pat Lightel -But they have had months,months to/out after this,to notify the public
to have meetings and everything.They didn't give this to your councilmen until the
other night - Tuesday night.
McLanahan -Pat,I think that if you will go back you will find that Westlake had worked
on this crossing for years.I know that they....
Lightel -Yes,you bet.Do you want me to name you names.Marshall Burress.
McLanahan - I don't know who it was....
Lightel -You know.
McLanahan -No,I don't,but....
Lightel -Don't get me upset,because man I'll....If you get the well and get what you
want tonight then next will be a sewerage system for the.elite out there.
McLanahan -This is funny,Pat.Ray is talking about us getting too much pressure and
you are talking about not enough.Ray is talking about one sewer system and you are
talking about not having one. Now
Morris -Yeah,but I'll tell you,I'll straighten it out so you can understand what...
You think nothing for Westlake....nothing,outside of just having that guy come out
there and check the well.Now,we appreciate that and we all like that old man because
he does check that well for us and we appreciate it and we figure he is worth his weight
in gold.You betcha!Outside of the streets and stuff you guys have done nothing for
us.
Lloyd Poole -Maybe I don't understand this thing as well as I think I do,but if you
built this reservoir in here before, what is the elevation on it?
Poole.-Is that a standpipe or tank system?
McLanahan - It will be a standpipe.
Poole*o.K.What will be the elevation over and above Westlake elevation?
McLanahan - It will probably be between,now I am talking about the top level,in the...
Poole -in the bottom of the tank
McLanahan -...^and I am having to do a little guessing,because I haven't run levels
on the site or in Westlake,I am just guessing from knowledge.I would say probably
120 to 130 feet to the top of the tank from Westlake.^
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Poole -It automatically then reverts back to a gravity feed.Right?
McLanahan -Feeds back into Westlake.
Poole -What would the pressure be off that tank?
McLanahan -Around 60 pounds.
Poole - Well, we got something like 45 pounds right now.
McLanahan - We have just Poole - in the peak McLanahan...well,you have about
60 pounds now.
Poole - Well when this is all put together,when that pump is out we would not even know
the difference within a few hours.
McLanahan - No, you would never know the difference. Right. It will be back in case
something happens to you.Now,Ray,one thing that I think had you concerned,or at
least I think you expressed concern about, this will be built in stages. This trans
mission line would be put across to Westlake. This hump out would be here so while the
work was being done on well #31, you would not be fed from this old well. You would be
fed from the town's system and you,as he told you,would not know the difference)in
pressure particularily.
Poole-Can I ask one more question?You mentioned something about this water was fed
back and you kind of lost me on the well.If the pump would go out/SeYow,we would get
water from your city central district. How would this happen?
McLanahan -This pipe is just like just being fed. If I am.putting pressure on
it will give you water on this end.If this pressure automatically goes out, and
do this with telemetering,then your water reverses itself and feds from the
back down to you.
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Lightel - May I say one more thing? You said about the water being hard out therje
McLanahan -Yes,it is in the medium range.
Lightel - It is so hard that in the last five years I have put in three swamp coolers
out there,because they got toocorroded with alkali in the water.
McLanahan -This is not particularily caused by hardness.
by the soft water.
Lightel - Oh,then it must be awfully soft.
Usually the corrosion is caused
Rockwell - I have a question.This is nothing about Westlake,but what is this air deal
that is up on the Terrace here and everybody seems it is a big joke,but it is no
live up there.
McLanahan - Yes, Sir,this is what we were talking about on the rehabilitation of
joke to
Well #8.
Rockwell -What happened to this thing?It worked fine for twenty years'and then all at
once a guy hooked a pipe up wrong and screwed the whole system up.
McLanahan - We, as you know, the water table in the area,has been gettin g lower and
lower through the summer months.Are you familar with this?j
Rockwell - Yes, I am.i
McLanahan - All right. What I wanted to know how much to explain to you and this]is why
I asked.When the water table gets lower and lower, the water coming in from the upper
levels,cascades are coming down through the well,falling down through on the pipe and
so forth and hitting the joints,picks up air as it comes down. As this air,the!farther
down it falls, the more air it picks up, this air then absorbes into the water and is
pumped through the pump and believe it or not, you pay for it the same as you......
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Rockwell -Yeah,we're paying for air instead of
McLanahan -You are paying for some of the air.
Rockwell -Along with it,inconvenient as hell,and wrecks the pump....
McLanahan -We are going to try to do our best this year to give you JJ-^Jl;'£orathatandthemainthingweneedtodcandwehavebeentryingtodo,is get Well #£
on the line so we can pump into that Terrace area and have time to work Well #8.H°weJer»we are going to try and pull that pump out and fix it this spring before your demand be-^mes acuie'in the'lastof April.Ihope we ^VV^bS^o.'yS!^guarantee anything.At least we can probably make it some better for you.
Hill -Mac,all of our wells at the 1000-1100 output level,
that a deeper well could be of assistance to the pump?
M„T=«a-Kar,Mr will we were talking about doing some experimental .In the meantime weS^^^So^g^i^n?^v.talked to D.O.E..We have also had rumbles that
Carnation ie planning an experimental well.There needs to be someone m the area doing^experimenting.The reason we aren't with Well #11 is because D.O.E is going to do^one out in the sand dunes area to try and find out some of the factors of the groundwaterandSegroundwateraquifers.And then we hope that Carnation or maybe we will come back
to Council one of these days and ask for you to join in with Carnation and do some expen-
menting,if we haven't got the answers.
Hill -Carnation.have theirs approved or are they still in line too?
McLanahan -They are still in line too.
Hill -When is D.O.E.going to dig theirs?
Mei^nahan -They were supposed to start in this fall.I can find out more informationon^Sattomorrow.Iwilftry and make anote of that,Mr.Hill,.and as soon as Ido I
will let you know.
Boyle -So in essence would Well #31,would you,if go over this ?,-to improve thef?ow of wa?er in the area in the Central District and in no way be adverse to .the people
that are living in Westlake now,is this correct?
McLanahan - I would think that it would be of advantage to them.Now,Mr.Boyle,we are£££to get into some problem areas such as Westlake and so forth.Westlake in that one
area that Mr.Morris lives in,is unable to provide the 1000 gallons per minute that isrecently,well,last year,the Washington Survey and Rating Bureau as demanded for fire
code We,this'line that we are putting in he will be able to provide it in that area
We have some outlying areas that are going to give us deficiency Poxnts If we do notgettheproperfireprotectioninthemandifwedodrop,you remember that chart thatThadonhereforyouearlier,in our fire rating,and right at this point here,we are
looking at a cost to the taxpayers in the community about $80,000 a year.
Waggener -In fairness though,you would take adrastic decrease in quality of our water
system to drop to that rate.
McLanahan -Yes,Sir,you are-probably absolutely correct for the ^m!.bJin^s^s^econtinuetogrow,if we haven't got the water system we are going to find ourselves in
this.
Waggener -O.K.granted,but I am just saying that right now we are not in danger.
McLanahan -Right.Now there is no danger,but as I told the Council,*think,the otternight,this program is for five to ten years advance.Now one thing that I need to bring
out.it doesn't go in the reports.It may go in one report that you should be aware of
and one reason for needingWell #11,I fully believe that in the future,that you areaSingtofindandwearegoingtohavetodrillawellwithintheCityofapproximately
every three thousand feet.It is because of the fact that we,do not have transmission
lines It is because of the fact that we are going to depend on wells for supply and
we are going to,well,we need wells for storage.Now the storage that we are talking
Is there any space in there
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rh*reservoirs we have to have the reservoirs to balance our pressure,but if we putrelervoirTall'over the place and eliminate some of the wells we will eventually |need,we wm end up with amuch costly system.We can drill and put two wells for what we
can put up one reservoir.
Swanson-Any more questions at this time?
Prank Harrison -Yes,Sir,Ilive on Lakeview Terrace.Ihave lived there 17 ye^rs and
S£Is up the"in *£summerWme Yo/can-t water your lawn.My lawn is wateredevery-ignt^ecause there isn't enough wate;:pressure to run araxnbxrd«%£?*
^"o^the pressure^^^.'^SlMa^TShool facilities and so forth.I
the school may take four "°u *the benind you the areas yiu are
tank,and so forth,isn t there."v°insula area,and so forth,you have acies and
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there so put out all the fires you guys start.Thank you.j
Virginia Hill -Excuse -«n ama resident ^peaking foL^onV/wJshingfonIdonotreadthe---^^^^i^hafincouSges you to use grants.This i some
thing that probably all of you gentlemen read.I have been reading some materxaf that%tl ouTand also yoS experienced when you enjoyed the night after nxght after nxght oftheSnorelinemnageLn^!This is land management.Tonight review is the case U we«„we the money if they say we can.we are going to have source money now.tater on .can have the money xr tney y revenue sharing mbney.-^vbriHsMready'earmarked I ^vfnofbeen to every Council meeting.I havfe beenr^arx/every council meeting 1thx^nk we *-*»«^^*J---?ffTxSSSrS.t'^rLTliS^.%^t^irrM«*i.ti«i of mayors and I U sure•SSV.S SJ^JToSr^JSST:h-Hev^pf^o y^before
readingVifferent Serial than we are reading and what we are thinlcxng about is wh<
or not people are having the proper water they should have.
Swanson -Is there anyone else?
Harrison -How many gallon capacity is this reservoir you are talking about?
Mac -This reservoir would have about 3/4 of a million gallons of capacity for f;Mac This res Gxed±t f^in ^vicinity of a ^iiion and a
whether
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halfnrotection.However,we would get creair.ior xn «**vx^^^-w,«..-._„_---^--—-credit out of it.We can draw it out to ten P.S.I,providing the State Board of Health
will approve.
Liahtel -Can Iask you something?That gentleman back there said something atiout ascnoofnow.You earmarked Peninsula School.'Okay,*e have aschool up on LakeviewTerrace!we've got Garden Heights,we've got Chief Moses,we've got ahigh school upthereRight?We've got no water pressure up there.If it would take four hours^toputa'firt olt in the Peninsula area,what would it take,eight or ten hours to put a
fire out Up here?
m>*.Pat.at Lakeview Terrace,we have a better water supply for the school thaiiwe do^Peninsula because of that tank and the larger mains right around the lakeview TerraceSchcXbelieveitornot.See,we can draw on aAre flow down to 10J.S.I and wxth
ttose large mains in there and so forth and the way the system is grxdded we do have more*ater ai LatevieW lerrSdte school for a fire than we do at Peninsula.Imxsunderstood thelentle^nWo was back there though.It seemed like to me he was agaxnst the wh^le pro-
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gram and Ithink living in the Lakeview Terrace area he would be for the program.I
didn't understand him.
Hockwell -*o I am not against ^^-™vr»?^^"so O .list of one,two,three and so forth.You say tnat k that ..Ifortharenumber™/!f 1^^^ot *»Wetl #31 and go ahead with^our^iorxtxerTh^s-^^-£L^^-"^"^havl-tafked alHvening SVJS.'ffi 2 know what Z.why.
swanson -well.Ithink probably the other ones we have recognized and we knew them.
And I just gave the names of them,I didn t ...
Mac -„other words,if Iam reading you right,then,you Just want the area up where
you live improved right now.
Rockwell -The improvement is just putting it back the way it was.For twenty years
until someone screwed up on the pipe...
Mac -Do you have any pressure where you live then?
*n t „a«e -i q air and it's about blowing theRockwell-Idon't have any pressure.All Ihave is air ana it:^
valves off.
Mac -What address is that up there?
Rockwell - 932 East Cherry.
Mac -932 East Cherry;Okay.
Rockwell -You can turn the.faucet on any place in the house and you can hear the
meter running on the street,which I never did before.p
Mac -Is your name Rockwell*by any chance?(
Rockwell - That's right.
Mac -That's what I thought.I hear from you quite often.
v«a ^vp out of everything.You know when people come^Councxl'and X^^/Z^^J^^££~J£toIhexpaThe^a remark^-"wfys -eVo right,argue,something.Ifs
unbelievable the rudeness.^
„ac -Pat,Ididn't mean that to be funny.Ijust talk to him on the telephone quite £j
often.CD'Lightel -well,Imean he has got aproblem and he has called you so many times about g
it?it's about time something is done for him then.«?
Hac -Pat.Iam afraid you don't know what we are talking about -
Lightel -Yes Ido,my brother lives right across the street from him.
Mac -Your brother didn't call me.
Lightel -No but he knows it's no use.
Swanson -What is the Council's wish?<
Skaug -As Iinterpret Mrs.Hill's statement and^r Harri-^tement.they jj-to .
SthourmoreVudy and^unde^^virgxnla^if thi/is done we should do -
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it with our own money,is that what you emphasized?
.".,tthink that we heard that there were times to do certain thingswtrwereabeing"told 3£?t£"S£was to do it.That is what Imeant.
and
Skaug - I am sorry,I didn't hear you./t+i«*natural that if you accept a grant,Virginia-Tonight,,we heard about grants.It is na ^gQing rece^eyouaregoingtobetoldwhenyouaregoingtodothis^have o£the grant.And what you are going to do.That is wna ^already ^eenouro^.haven't we?Right.We have revenue faring Now may ^Qf ,^
andxm£oveit.Iwasn't in an argument wxth hxm.I
Skaug -would it be any different if we employed our -^^^^^^1
would be in conflict with the *«»«*
think.I -♦.^4-«*»have to - we have now to attendVirginia-Otto.Ithink that «*««"«£Tnelr protlem evidently doesn't come down.
neonate t ^untxTwHre "1^^can do that kind of work,right?
Skaug -Apparently,some of this source is dried up at the moment.
,A •!.fnr.ourselves if we want to.Virginia -My theory is that we can do it for ourselves
Skaug -I have no great conflict with that.
Virginia -No,I agree.Thank you.
Skaug -No great conflict.But when this is apparently profferred to us.
Virginia -It's our money,Otto.
Skaug -Granted.It's «ount Vernon's money too.It's everybody's money.
Virginia - we paid our money.
Skaug -$180,000 is everybody's money.It's ȣ^Jx|^^But the principle of the thing that I think you are/Ka
work.The principle of finance.I
Virginia -Imean the principle of ^^^^e^^o,^**»+££
are told when we can.When we have people that are havxng p ^are r^
and Bob and Ilive in an area where ^""^^^nate fairly soft.So Itan't'^whe-reTther ^have^Se dKfxcultiS that they have have to wait J*U.
some other area is served.I
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Skaug -*-'Mr-Rockwell.
V.Hill -Well that is fine.I think that is great.
-«.j.*™*at-rhis?We could put out ReservoirMcLanahan-Mr.Swanson,may Itry one more,time at this?
#5 as you say without waiting for matching funds.
V.Hill -Is that what is needed for that area?
McLanahan -Yes,but with6ut Well #11 in the system it would do us no good.x)m.if
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we go with cable tools Idon't think you realize this if we wentw«^cable 'ooidrill^•rlg9 on well #11.it will be the December "76 probably be fore we x P^
or well #11 will do us any good anyway,so "•'"«*"""*„"han go with it-right away ,—,funds within this period of time to put ^^^cJ^"^tt^'uom!,of supply .([because it just wouldn't do a thxng,at least untxl we get tnai <=**i before "iosptak of anyway.This is why that chronological order,well #11 xs .before j |
Reservoir #5.
*.i~-~*4-v,=<-ei7P of the pipe.Does this have any bearingV.Hill -Mac,one time you mentioned that size or tne pipe.
on the problem?-«.-'"'
McLanahan -I'm sorry.Do you mean the pipe that they have in their homes or the pipe...
V.Hill -I'm wondering or is the pipe to them.Is that too small too?
McLanahan -If Imay,while you discuss something else,Iwill have three pipes in the,
Lakeview Terrace area I will show you the problem.
V.Hill -That is all right.Ijust wanted the answer for my own information.
McLanahan -Fine.It is just outside.It will just take a moment.
Skaug -I suggest the Council take a two minute break.
swanson -This is from the Washington Lung Association from Mr.Frank Erickson.
Zimmerman -This is aproclamation -«-^«^^^^^^^^22"^**concluded that smoking is potentially xnjurous.to ^v««1»™"air pollution,combination of smoking by individual cxtxzens and the many P^xls °f a P anfl
exhaust fumes,and other respiratory ^"f^^aestream tobacco smoke also has awhereas,scientific studies have determxned that sidestream t intetest of
deleterious effect on the «ealth of the non-*m°k^;a™ad^by 4he Washington Lung ;'Reducationinthesematters,publxc spxrxted cxtxzens heaae ?program to inform IAssociationoftheCentralRegxonhave^rked on aPf^=fto encou^indivia„aiscitizensofthedangersofsmokxng^and ^-formulated^la^^^^^fc
Swanson -Mr.Erickson.
Erickson,Iapologize for interrupting On *f^^^^J^E °of S?Turkey Days,which is a state wide "^^'^^^a at the smokers among you,but mmembersoftheCouncilThe"•«^£^£%^cards.The pledge cards state ..•-gyoucantakeitevenifyouare»°£:T?^^?led|e to quit smoking during theI,(put your name in there)*ereoy P"«9 through December 3,1974,andWashingtonLungAssociationColdTurkeyDaysNovemb*^%n£°*fleaders of the communitythereisroomenoughforasignaturenthereand^^he pledge card and send it in,oreachoneofthesmokersamongyouvxll.£^doxng this,Iam trying to encourageturnitin.If this is done....the reason we are a g .f le unders_tand
groups of people to quit «^£^f^S^£^2r-hey can quit for good.Imight mention,and discover that,they can quit for fiye days ™Y°*from mBpa ^fce.someIdon't know if Ishould or not;.^"to%^r^tf^e,second hand smoke,let's put it .people do have very severe reactions to "g"e"^°ff[cult for a person with severe •tha?way.Other people's smoke.It ^^^^SJ.S IthinAhis is unfortunateheartdiseaseorseverelungdiseaseto^^f£**,the City Council members couldbecauseofthelevelofsmokeIthink**=a^°ni*to kick their cigarette habit.Now,play a very significant role in leading the ^unity porterhouse,has supplied a
as an incentive avery fi^.restaUr^.^Intended for the members of the City Councilplatterofcoldturkey.This is esPec^lv ^f^fnot anticipating this much to tell younutIthinkthatpeoplefromthe^f^'^terhouse would like the platter back.Youthetruth....we do have paper P^tes The Porternou ^^z.tnat you
will please not run off with it.I^^^^0^whatever is left,except for the platter,
will eat it and en^oy it.Yes,you can ta*e no restaurant,to the PorterhouseIfIcouldleavesomeoneinchargetoreturnthatto
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Boyle -That is not smoked turkey,is it?
Erickson -No,no this is plain old roast turkey.By now it is warm turkey though I
am afraid.I did commandeer some forks,also,from the Thank you very much.
Swanson -Back to Mac.
McLanahan -The address is marked on the pipe showing where it came from.You might look
down and you will see the -ncrustation inside the pipe.We have taken....
Swanson - Is this from the meter on in?
Skaug - My house -
McLanahan -On each one of these three pipes being passed around there is incrustation
inside the pipe.Now this incrustation builds up to where the pipe,this is a 3/4 inch
supply pipe,this is on the owner's side of the meter,when this pipe eventually builds
up to where there is only 1/2 inch of clearance left in the pipe line,50%of the supply
is none.This pipe that you are looking at would be prohibiting about 10-20%in .**amount of crustation in it.10-20%of what originally when through,like
when Mr.Rockwell,for instance,built his house back,I believe,1953,was it?This pipeis21yearsold.He is getting about 15%less water supply today through that pipe,then
he would have in 1953,through no fault of his,of course.
Harrison -Mac,you say that is the soft water building up in there?
McLanahan -The soft water is more corrosive,much more corrosive,than hard water.
Waggener,- I might give another example of this in my own home and as Virginia,you in
dicated,we do have good water pressure and so shouldn't be any problems with flow.I
replaced all the interior in one of my water tanks for toilet fixture this last summer
because water was coming through it so slowly that it seemed like it took forever to
refill after flushing and it simply had incrustations in it to the point where with the
small diameters of the ports or whatever they have in tanks,that the water was almost
totally stopped and Ithat was 70-90 pounds pressure.I don't remember exactly the age
of that house,what 14 years,something like that....12-15 in that range anyway,and yet
with good pressure I still had •to replace the piping in order to be able to get adequate
flow through that toilet fixture.
Harrison -May I say one other thing?I think that...during the recess why some of the
people in the Terrace approached me and said one of the things I can withdraw from my
opposition to your vote on Well #31 if you will agree to give us 15-30%rebate on our
water bill for the air we are buying.
McLanahan - I will respond to that just briefly.One cubic foot of air in a tank you
get probably out of one hundred to thousand cubic feet will do an awful lot of excitement
in an household.You are not getting that much really too much air,but you are getting
enough to really excite things of that I will admit.I hope again that we can correct
some of that problem.
Hill - I move the request be denied.
Swanson - Mr. Hill moved the request be denied.
Hill -Right.
Swanson - All those in favor of denying the vote.
Favor -Hill,Johnson and Swanson.Opposed -Moe,Boyle and Skaug.
Skaug - I voted aye with the last opposed.
Swanson - The vote is three to three. Motion is lost.
Moe - I will move to table this until the next Council meeting.
Skaug -Second that.
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Swanson -Moved and seconded to table this until the next council meeting .All those
in favor say aye.
Favor -Moe,Boyle,Skaug.Opposed -Swanson,Johnson and Hill.
Swanson -We are voting on table,to table until the next/coSnixx meeting.All those
in favor say aye.
Favor -Moe,Boyle,Skaug.Opposed -Johnson and Hill and Swanson.
Swanson -Well,what in the heck do you want to do then?
Boyle-Well,an affirmative motion has been made tonight a-nd it came up atie,theh the
motion is lost.
Boyle -.A...simply tabled until we have a full quorum.
Moe «t—.—then motion succeeded.
Boyle - Yes.
Swanson-O.K.Is there any other....
Skaug - I move we adjourn.
Swanson-Seconded.
Swanson -Meeting adjourned at 10:15 p.m.
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